12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. I was taught that. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. No, thats silly! Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. 7 You hypocrites! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. The church never knew our problems but god did. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. I have no position or opinion of this Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) (2 Cor. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence Peace. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. I must put it in Jesus Christ. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. I am also against body piercings as well. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Dress Standards For Christians (Pastor Tim Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church We ARE the church my friend! 48. Yes, see my answer to your first question. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I forgave him before he changed. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. 29. 23. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). 31. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). 8. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent Scripture is Good! By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? God forgave because Jesus saved. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. Yes, we have a tract rack. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. The membership I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! God works in mysterious ways. For example, #54. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. 41. JUDAH. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. What a stupid thing to say. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among They bought your loyalty. I have no opinion on this This is very good. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. Baptist beliefs If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. Praise the lord for forgiveness. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. 26 You blind Pharisee! The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. G.F.F. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. N/A (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). Sons of vipers! What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. 47. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). I truly dont understand this one, ha! God Bless. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. 4. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. . No member shall We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. Thanks for reading! [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Its never spoken but up there to read. Hypocrites! [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice.
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