True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. greg, Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. Hope this clears up some confusion. Share this: Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. IFCA International was founded in 1930 as the Independent Fundamental Churches of America in response to the growing apostasy within the major denominations. NOT ONE. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. 1. 3:3). 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. 601 1ST AVE SE . Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? @greg Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac Pastors Deserve Double Salary? Gossips offer plausible deniability. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. I think that point was already addressed. If I wanted to wear a sponge bob costume while leading worship I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). It should be free. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! Tithing I believe is liberty. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. p.s. He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. Not all IFB churches are this way. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. Thank you for your help! Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. The business is listed under baptist church category. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. BEREAN BAPTIST CHURCH. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. Jesus quoted the old testament. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Its ugly and frustrating. @greg However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. Enter city. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. You dont study enough. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. God said He would preserve His church and that task was not left in the hands of fallible men or groups. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. I can certainly forgive you. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. G.L. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Thousands of Southern Baptist Churches didn't baptize a single convert last year. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. No Law we are obligated to in the sense they have any weight of sins being dealt withfor Jesus done away with sins. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. We should stand out because we are different. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE FIRST RECORDED BAPTIST CHURCH IN HISTORY. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. Just some thoughts. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . Thanks but addressed all points. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult.